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OFFICIAL NGADM REVIEW:
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Those were some nice dreamy chords at the beginning, but I think EQ’ing out a tiny bit of the high end from that synth might’ve helped it not stick out too much. It’s less of a dynamic issue and more of a storytelling issue. You got me hooked in with the chords, but that synth needs to compliment the piano that’s still being played even though it’s the main melody. I also wouldn’t mind turning it down just a bit but I actually think it might be fine with just an EQ fix.

One thing I encourage you to pay attention to more often are transitions between sections. At the 0:46 part, I think you could’ve ended that last chord progression a bit better so that it leads into the next one seamlessly. One suggestion I have is when you hit the Bbmin6, play that for beats 1 and 2 and then change to Gmin/C for beat 3 and 4 of that bar.

For a better understanding of why that might work better, I recommend checking out this video about voice leading, it’s one of the main things that helps make chord progressions and sections flow well together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGbnhJURuIo&ab_channel=GlennZaleski

Also, be cautious of your sound design. At 1:27, those plucky sounds don’t really fit instruments that have already been played in the song up to that point, and they aren’t very well supported by other instrumentation, so overall it sounds very out of place. Maybe if you had some other instruments that better complimented that sound, it’d make it sound a bit more intentional, but without it fitting the overall context of the song up to that point, it’s going to sound like I’m listening to another song. Of course at 1:43, more layers get added on top and now it starts to make more sense. It might not be the same chords as before, but it feels more intentional once you have other parts working well with each other, but I’d still keep in mind how it fits with the section that was played before it. Context matters a lot when it comes to sound design.

The “last chorus” was actually nice and climatic, BUT THE ENDING!!! Aww man, you really blue balled me there, I wanted it to resolve so bad!!! Tbh, unresolved chord progressions at the end of songs could have some really cool effects if they are set up well, but this just felt a bit unfulfilling. Especially when you had those drums building towards a climactic ending, it just made me go, “Aww man, resolve it!!”

Overall, I think you had a pretty cohesive chord progression and a decent mix to go along with it, just those few things I mentioned earlier could help bring the whole piece together a bit better. I urge you to pay closer attention to context when you songwrite, it can really help bring forth more value and deeper meaning between sections of songs. Not a bad job at all though, and definitely not a failed attempt at music.

Czyszy responds:

Your criticisms made me realize how rushed this piece really was. :)

OFFICIAL NGADM REVIEW:
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So right off the bat, I want to hear a possibly simpler violin melody so I can be immediately engaged from the very beginning. Unfortunately, it’s hard to anchor to that solo violin without chords because of how unorthodox that melody and those chords are. Now, I’m not saying the chords don’t work because they definitely do and they’re beautifully orchestrated as the layers keep being added on. Maybe instead of going straight into that violin melody at the beginning, you can write a calmer, less busy intro. Don’t be afraid to maybe use a violin quartet to simply sustain the main chords in an expressive way then slowly add in more layers on top of them, probably with the solo violin being one of the first ones. That way I’m already reeled in by the chords AND I’ll want to hear how you’d grow upon and embellish that. Anchored and engaged are the two keywords.

A few small notes for you through my 3rd and 4th listen through include a lot of nitpicking.

At the 1:51 mark, I hear some slight staccato strings that I think you can bring out a bit. In fact, I wouldn’t mind if you made that a whole staccato section with the legato melody still going on (until maybe around the 2:25 mark), a small change in pulse like that would add a bit more diverse meaning to the melody and help with keeping the listeners engaged.

Also, anytime I hear the piano do an arpeggio in this piece, I think it should be replaced with strings or some midrange woodwinds. The timbre of the piano kind of disrupts the smoothness of all the other layers a bit.

Again, those are nitpicky things so they definitely aren’t substantial notes.

I also think the use of dark sound effects in your production really helped create a consistently melancholic atmosphere. All the elements worked really well together, I think you have a knack for atmospheric storytelling, your way of structuring and layering was very well executed. Overall, very well done!!

Phonometrologist responds:

Your reviewed made me smile. I don't disagree with what you would have preferred as they are all fair points. The Viola melody in the beginning is ambiguous as it slips down in a descending motion. The melody outlines a chord, but the higher notes descend in a chromatic fashion. Even the chords are not stated so clear in the beginning. Not being anchored to it makes sense. Sometimes when writing in a certain frame of mind, you don't really intend for anything as I try to remove myself from it. I never know how others will take it.
I think what would help tremendously to being engaged to that busy line is a performance of it. The musician would emphasize a clearer pattern in the melody with the use of heavy vibrato on certain notes. With this library that I was using, I could not control vibrato and even with the vibrato they have that happens naturally in the audio sample isn't heavy at all. Phrasing is difficult in sample libraries.
I would like to experiment with actual musicians on the point you brought up about staccato. I didn't like it on the sample library because the weight of the piece sounded to dissipate. Needed to keep a weighty bass to keep the balls from dropping off. Think the piece would sound too deflated as it reached a climax.
The piano does play a smaller role in this. I was using it to accentuate the beat a bit more because it all started to get muddy in terms of movement and drive. Again, I couldn't mix what I wanted with the string library I was using. Perhaps I'll commission an actual string quartet in the future when I can drop a couple thousand. Then hopefully I would feel comfortable not adding that piano. Didn't have time to think too much about it while writing for the contest. I'll definitely play with it more in the future keeping in mind the points you have made. I appreciate your perspective so I can listen to this fresh and more analytically as you go over my blind spots.
Thank you very much.

I'm not sure if something went wrong in the exporting of the track or if your speakers/headphones are broken in some way, but that laser/kick drum makes this entire thing REALLY hard to listen to. The only pleasant parts were from 1:41 to 4:17, but that kick being that distorted for that long will make many listeners quickly turn away from it. Every time it shows up, it drowns out everything else in the background with its harsh frequencies and crazy loud volume. I've listened to your other tracks and it's clear that you know that it shouldn't be sounding this way so I'm confused as to how you thought that kick sounded okay.

offi-DtrGuo-cial responds:

As I've said in the tags, this is a hardstyle/hardcore track, specifically rawstyle. This is a genre in which the kick is supposed to sound heavily distorted and overdriven and it's not uncommon to take up a good portion of the mix for the drop, sometimes being the sole element of a drop. And if you're into the harder styles, including rawstyle, most people WANT to listen to a distorted kick for hours on end, because that's the point of those genres. Please mind the tags and the genre before you listen.

Sir, you are NOT slick, I heard that Fallout quote LOUD AND CLEAR @ 2:43!!! XD

Everratic responds:

Haha, I admit I listened to that song a few times and loved that pair of chords. The melodic phrase there emphasizes the use of a chord from the parallel minor, so I felt the need to use that as well. It quickly becomes my own thing in the following bar though.

Ok, there's a lot to unpack here.

Before I started listening to the song, I immediately read the description and wasn't quite sure what to expect, but I was interested in how you were going to put all of this together. After listening to this, it's safe to say that there were bluesy ideas, prog ideas, and vintage-style synth ideas, but none of those ideas sounded cohesive together. The majority of the song sounds like a lot of ideas that sound good individually but not all together. Dissecting it all was a lot of work but I'll do my best to go through the biggest issues that stood out to me and try to provide some help on how you could better piece together these ideas.

First, the acoustic guitar intro was really interesting and pulled me in. The swells and embellishments you had between the chords were very expressive and I honestly believe it to be the best part of the song. However, once the intro was over and the chords from the electric guitar came in, I felt like I was listening to a completely different song. That isn't necessarily always bad, but that transition needed to feel more natural. Maybe it would help if you had a melody line that connected the two sections.

Second, the drums were all over the place and I believe them to be the weakest part of the song. There was never really a consistent beat and it always seemed to take away from everything else that was happening throughout the song. If there was at least a consistent "kick, hat, snare, hat" pattern looped through the whole song, I'd already start to feel like I could maybe nod my head a bit, but that never really happened.

Lastly, there were lots of melody and harmony ideas that didn't fit well together. One example is at 2:05 when there was a bass line and two electric guitar lines. They didn't sound like they were in the same key. I'd start cleaning that up by figuring out what key the bass is in and make sure the other guitar chords and melody lines are in the same key. I'd also continue doing the same thing with all the other parts of the song as well.

Ultimately, I think you need to better define the form of the song. The biggest things that'll help is having a definitive drum groove, key, and form. Once you have those things set, then you can embellish all the other parts and start piecing all those extra ideas together. I'd also use whatever songs you've been listening to as references to better understand what's missing or needs to be messed with. Keep messing around with these genre-bending ideas though, you can only get better at it from here!

Maruquop responds:

Thanks for taking your time and your feedback!

how'd you get a copy of the new smash ultimate splatoon DLC track?

LunacyEcho responds:

sheldon for DLC !!!!

WIP or not, this is SUCH a great mixture of many different ideas and styles! Best of luck to the both of you guys, seriously awesome stuff you guys come up with!!

stardew responds:

tysm! your track is wonderful as well. regardless of who makes it through, I'm really excited to see what you make in the future (:

sorry, not sorry, but I need this to be a real musical...I can wait...I'm a patient man

LunacyEcho responds:

if it does become a real musical can u write a song for it thx

also your song is super great too!! will leave a review in the next few days

Nice stuff! I like the chord progression and the effects you added in here! The only thing I'd clean up a bit is the mix. The kick seems a bit too loud and punchy and I'd actually turn down and EQ the snare as well. Mess around with it and see what happens, but otherwise, it's pretty solid!

Xorberax responds:

Thank you for your good feedback. I'll make some tweaks :)

EDIT: I've made the suggested changes, thanks!

I like the vibe of the track! Up until the 0:44 when the drums come in, everything was stellar! I loved the synths and the progression, I felt like I was about to be taken on a magical journey! Ngl, but the drums and that bass synth that comes in later in the song kinda threw me for a loop. I'd just add a nice smooth sub bass once everything cuts out and have it follow the chords, simply Db, Eb, and F, nothing extra really. As for the drums, I'd find some different samples, something a bit less harsh, maybe even add some reverb to them so that they sound spacey along with the arp synths. Overall, pretty cool idea!

robertonewgrounds responds:

Thanks for the feedback!

I am like Baby Driver, I cannot function without music!

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